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		<title>By: jogar roleta online</title>
		<link>http://www.gurtle.com/ppov/2008/04/12/dont-buy-maxtor-shared-storage-ii/comment-page-2#comment-84757</link>
		<dc:creator>jogar roleta online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great read! I must say that I dont come across these kind of articles anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great read! I must say that I dont come across these kind of articles anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.gurtle.com/ppov/2008/04/12/dont-buy-maxtor-shared-storage-ii/comment-page-2#comment-84705</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gawwwwwd, I&#039;m so sorry! I didn&#039;t mean to offend you! Please accept my apologies. Really, us noobs shouldn&#039;t be allowed to even leave the house without asking permission. Idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gawwwwwd, I&#8217;m so sorry! I didn&#8217;t mean to offend you! Please accept my apologies. Really, us noobs shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to even leave the house without asking permission. Idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Trentw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trentw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are quite obviously a hardware noob, who makes a backup onto anything but a raid1 (mirror)??? All of you that have commented are absolute idiots, data is something you do NOT risk by shoving everything onto this kind of storage device and then delete the original. it&#039;s just storage, it&#039;s cheap, run a mirror (as the OP admitted was a good idea) and get some damn redundancy if you have any idea what the word means... I hate maxtor but i hate tech blogs from people that wouldn&#039;t know thedifference between a chipset and cache more... fuck all of you ignorant bastards... if only google would give us the ability to check something out before we bought it ... ohhhh wait, it does! idiots</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are quite obviously a hardware noob, who makes a backup onto anything but a raid1 (mirror)??? All of you that have commented are absolute idiots, data is something you do NOT risk by shoving everything onto this kind of storage device and then delete the original. it&#8217;s just storage, it&#8217;s cheap, run a mirror (as the OP admitted was a good idea) and get some damn redundancy if you have any idea what the word means&#8230; I hate maxtor but i hate tech blogs from people that wouldn&#8217;t know thedifference between a chipset and cache more&#8230; fuck all of you ignorant bastards&#8230; if only google would give us the ability to check something out before we bought it &#8230; ohhhh wait, it does! idiots</p>
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		<title>By: Lorne</title>
		<link>http://www.gurtle.com/ppov/2008/04/12/dont-buy-maxtor-shared-storage-ii/comment-page-2#comment-84655</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I think the main complaint from
&gt; myself and others who purchased an
&gt; MSS was the fact that they failed
&gt; early and repeatedly. 

Yes I got that, my response was in reply to the posts taking the form, &quot;replace it with a XXX and you will be safe&quot;.

I was not familiar with the MSS specifically when I went searching yesterday, but a quick google search revealed hundreds of people with similar tales to tell.  What really gets me is offering the option of creating a RAID mirror but not providing any tools to recover from a single failed drive.  They seem to be forcing the the end user to send the unit in for expensive data recovery to get your data back.  This is SCANDALOUS and really screams &quot;class action&quot; to me.  With this business model, there is no incentive to build a quality product, quite the opposite in fact.  I quickly lowered my already low opinion of Seagate/Maxtor over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I think the main complaint from<br />
&gt; myself and others who purchased an<br />
&gt; MSS was the fact that they failed<br />
&gt; early and repeatedly. </p>
<p>Yes I got that, my response was in reply to the posts taking the form, &#8220;replace it with a XXX and you will be safe&#8221;.</p>
<p>I was not familiar with the MSS specifically when I went searching yesterday, but a quick google search revealed hundreds of people with similar tales to tell.  What really gets me is offering the option of creating a RAID mirror but not providing any tools to recover from a single failed drive.  They seem to be forcing the the end user to send the unit in for expensive data recovery to get your data back.  This is SCANDALOUS and really screams &#8220;class action&#8221; to me.  With this business model, there is no incentive to build a quality product, quite the opposite in fact.  I quickly lowered my already low opinion of Seagate/Maxtor over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.gurtle.com/ppov/2008/04/12/dont-buy-maxtor-shared-storage-ii/comment-page-2#comment-84654</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points Lorne, you&#039;ve reminded me to tidy up my own backup procedures!

With regard to point number one, I think the main complaint from myself and others who purchased an MSS was the fact that they failed early and repeatedly. I do accept that no piece of hardware will last forever, but I don&#039;t accept that a product designed for this purpose (even if it is consumer grade) should last a matter of weeks.

Thanks again for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points Lorne, you&#8217;ve reminded me to tidy up my own backup procedures!</p>
<p>With regard to point number one, I think the main complaint from myself and others who purchased an MSS was the fact that they failed early and repeatedly. I do accept that no piece of hardware will last forever, but I don&#8217;t accept that a product designed for this purpose (even if it is consumer grade) should last a matter of weeks.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see lots of folks chiming in with advice to buy some competing product, seeming to be ignoring the obvious lessons here.  So, without minimizing the obvious flaws of the MSS and at the risk of offending people with my preaching, I offer ...

1)  Everything fails eventually.  No exceptions.  It may be that you don&#039;t use something long enough to wear it out, but sooner or later everything will fail.  Never trust important data to a single piece of hardware or to a MANUAL backup strategy.  Do not necessarily assume that a single backup is enough.

2)  Data is more important than many people realize.  Ask yourself if you care if you lose every bit of digital data you have at the moment.  As more of our lives becomes stored in bits and bytes, it becomes more important to protect it.  

3)  Human nature conspires against your data.  We procrastinate, we are complacent, we ignore obvious risks.  Ask yourself how much data you can afford to lose, 1 hour? one day? one week? one month? and AUTOMATE a backup to that schedule. I run office backups twice a day, each stored in a different machine one on the LAN one off the LAN.  Offsite backups are done once a month.  Periodically I dump all hard drives to DVDs to clean things up and store two copies of the DVDs in separate locations off site.  Paranoid?  You bet.  Protected? Absolutely.  Surprisingly, even with this system, I have still lost a very small amount of data.  At home I run offsite bakups daily.  Frequent hardware failurs but zero data lost.

4)  Itemize ALL risks to your data: fire, flood, theft, accidental deletion, virus, toddlers, spilled coffee, lightning, hackers, forgotten passwords, I bet you can think of more.  If your backup system only accounts for hard drive failure, I bet none of the above risks are covered, some of which are much more likely than a hard drive failure.  

5)  RAID is NOT a backup.  RAID is ONLY high availability, it should allow you to keep working after a certain, very specific, hardware failure.  For non-business applications you can probably live without access to your data for a few hours while you restore from your carfully implemented backup plan.  In an office full of people, hours of downtime is costly.  They are the ones that need high availability.  Both need backups.

6)  Know what to do when the inevitable happens by testing things as much as possible.  Simulate a drive failure or system crash or whatever when the system is not storing critical data and document the experience.  Assume that you will not need to draw on this knowledge for YEARS and put the documentation somewhere where you will find it again (not on the same system). The internet is full of people begging for help too late in the process, take steps not to be another voice in the wilderness.

7)  If you are a &quot;hands on&quot; type of person, a FAR better solution than one of these consumer NAS units is FreeNAS.  Build your own NAS on a world class server platform, for less money, with more features and with a community of people that will step you thru the restore process should the unthinkable happen.  It is one of the best uses for that aging PC that is pretty much on its way to the landfill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see lots of folks chiming in with advice to buy some competing product, seeming to be ignoring the obvious lessons here.  So, without minimizing the obvious flaws of the MSS and at the risk of offending people with my preaching, I offer &#8230;</p>
<p>1)  Everything fails eventually.  No exceptions.  It may be that you don&#8217;t use something long enough to wear it out, but sooner or later everything will fail.  Never trust important data to a single piece of hardware or to a MANUAL backup strategy.  Do not necessarily assume that a single backup is enough.</p>
<p>2)  Data is more important than many people realize.  Ask yourself if you care if you lose every bit of digital data you have at the moment.  As more of our lives becomes stored in bits and bytes, it becomes more important to protect it.  </p>
<p>3)  Human nature conspires against your data.  We procrastinate, we are complacent, we ignore obvious risks.  Ask yourself how much data you can afford to lose, 1 hour? one day? one week? one month? and AUTOMATE a backup to that schedule. I run office backups twice a day, each stored in a different machine one on the LAN one off the LAN.  Offsite backups are done once a month.  Periodically I dump all hard drives to DVDs to clean things up and store two copies of the DVDs in separate locations off site.  Paranoid?  You bet.  Protected? Absolutely.  Surprisingly, even with this system, I have still lost a very small amount of data.  At home I run offsite bakups daily.  Frequent hardware failurs but zero data lost.</p>
<p>4)  Itemize ALL risks to your data: fire, flood, theft, accidental deletion, virus, toddlers, spilled coffee, lightning, hackers, forgotten passwords, I bet you can think of more.  If your backup system only accounts for hard drive failure, I bet none of the above risks are covered, some of which are much more likely than a hard drive failure.  </p>
<p>5)  RAID is NOT a backup.  RAID is ONLY high availability, it should allow you to keep working after a certain, very specific, hardware failure.  For non-business applications you can probably live without access to your data for a few hours while you restore from your carfully implemented backup plan.  In an office full of people, hours of downtime is costly.  They are the ones that need high availability.  Both need backups.</p>
<p>6)  Know what to do when the inevitable happens by testing things as much as possible.  Simulate a drive failure or system crash or whatever when the system is not storing critical data and document the experience.  Assume that you will not need to draw on this knowledge for YEARS and put the documentation somewhere where you will find it again (not on the same system). The internet is full of people begging for help too late in the process, take steps not to be another voice in the wilderness.</p>
<p>7)  If you are a &#8220;hands on&#8221; type of person, a FAR better solution than one of these consumer NAS units is FreeNAS.  Build your own NAS on a world class server platform, for less money, with more features and with a community of people that will step you thru the restore process should the unthinkable happen.  It is one of the best uses for that aging PC that is pretty much on its way to the landfill.</p>
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		<title>By: Draža</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draža</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. I&#039;ve been offered to swap the smartphone that I&#039;m selling (Nokia N95) for one of these MSS II 1TB NAS appliances. Upon googling for reviews and reliability reports and opinions, I&#039;ve ran accross this blog. I was about to accept the proposed exchange, because it seemed like a good deal, as I&#039;ve been told that the MSS II is worth €200 and I was looking for €120 for my Nokia. Besides I am in need for additional storage. Having read this blog and comments I am now having second thoughts and probably will not go for the swap. Maybe only if I could re-sell it for the money I was looking to get for the smartphone. I am intrigued though as it&#039;s using open source firmware, so it seems to be a good concept poorly executed. No software can make up for the bad hardware which in this case seems to be the PSU. Thanks for the heads up nevertheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. I&#8217;ve been offered to swap the smartphone that I&#8217;m selling (Nokia N95) for one of these MSS II 1TB NAS appliances. Upon googling for reviews and reliability reports and opinions, I&#8217;ve ran accross this blog. I was about to accept the proposed exchange, because it seemed like a good deal, as I&#8217;ve been told that the MSS II is worth €200 and I was looking for €120 for my Nokia. Besides I am in need for additional storage. Having read this blog and comments I am now having second thoughts and probably will not go for the swap. Maybe only if I could re-sell it for the money I was looking to get for the smartphone. I am intrigued though as it&#8217;s using open source firmware, so it seems to be a good concept poorly executed. No software can make up for the bad hardware which in this case seems to be the PSU. Thanks for the heads up nevertheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.gurtle.com/ppov/2008/04/12/dont-buy-maxtor-shared-storage-ii/comment-page-2#comment-84595</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Gotliebson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Gotliebson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve run a MSSII 500GB for a little over two years without problems on my network.   I have only one complaint and that is when we have a power outage it doesn&#039;t come back online automatically.  I have to be there to push the button on the back to power it up.  This is a problem as I have it set up to remotely access it from a remote computer.  If I&#039;m on the road and we have a power outage, I can&#039;t access it until I return and power it up.  There doesn&#039;t seem to be a setup option to change this.  

Also, the lights on the front are confusing.  The network light can be flashing away like the unit is powered up and being accessed when the internal drive itself is still unpowered and unaccessible.  You have to press the button on the back to actually power up the drive after a power cycle.  I suspect this shortfall alone has fooled a number of people into returning functioning drives (with their data on it).  

I have not had any PSU or drive issues to date so I guess I&#039;m lucky.  

One piece of advice I have for people is to upgrade to the latest firmware which recognizes FAT16 or FAT32 partitions on your backup drive.  This will make your backup drive portable between your NAS and any XP or Linux box.  Create and format the partition under XP for best results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve run a MSSII 500GB for a little over two years without problems on my network.   I have only one complaint and that is when we have a power outage it doesn&#8217;t come back online automatically.  I have to be there to push the button on the back to power it up.  This is a problem as I have it set up to remotely access it from a remote computer.  If I&#8217;m on the road and we have a power outage, I can&#8217;t access it until I return and power it up.  There doesn&#8217;t seem to be a setup option to change this.  </p>
<p>Also, the lights on the front are confusing.  The network light can be flashing away like the unit is powered up and being accessed when the internal drive itself is still unpowered and unaccessible.  You have to press the button on the back to actually power up the drive after a power cycle.  I suspect this shortfall alone has fooled a number of people into returning functioning drives (with their data on it).  </p>
<p>I have not had any PSU or drive issues to date so I guess I&#8217;m lucky.  </p>
<p>One piece of advice I have for people is to upgrade to the latest firmware which recognizes FAT16 or FAT32 partitions on your backup drive.  This will make your backup drive portable between your NAS and any XP or Linux box.  Create and format the partition under XP for best results.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOod news sort of. Was my turn it seemed. SSII 1Tb RAID. Tried new power supply - no joy. Cracked it open and disconnected on of the drives only - fired up OK with front panel flashing to indicate one drive in failure. Everything readable on remaining drive. I&#039;m going to pull the now dormant drive out and put it into a SATA bay connected via USB t the NAS unit and use it as a peiodic static backup of the internal nas drie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOod news sort of. Was my turn it seemed. SSII 1Tb RAID. Tried new power supply &#8211; no joy. Cracked it open and disconnected on of the drives only &#8211; fired up OK with front panel flashing to indicate one drive in failure. Everything readable on remaining drive. I&#8217;m going to pull the now dormant drive out and put it into a SATA bay connected via USB t the NAS unit and use it as a peiodic static backup of the internal nas drie.</p>
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